When will physical purchases finally be recognized?

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    Henry L Neufeld

    This has been hard for some to grasp, but they are still completely separate companies. DDB licenses content from WotC like a game shop and sells their products, just like FantasyGrounds, or Roll20, etc. the outcry should stop.

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    Mark McCollum

    @Henry Agreed. The digital version of the books are different products sold by a totally separate company that has licensed the content. Much in the way Wizkids licenses the content from WotC to make miniatures. Would you argue that Wizkids should provide you the miniatures for free from Waterdeep just because you bought the book? Of course not, because that would be ridiculous.

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    Marcus Stusek

    Mark McCollum your argument is fatuous; the miniatures are clearly supplemental, and a different product.  What we, the many people calling out for the physical books to be recognized, are asking for is merely to be able to create characters and look up monster stats for content we already own. A more accurate analogy would be to say that we have purchased a dvd, only to be told that the bonus features are only available for online purchases. 

    And to Henry L Neufeld's point about them being separate companies, from a consumer point of view, that distinction is not clear. WotC has promoted DnDBeyond, and DnDBeyond often has posts from key WotC staff. While they may legally be separate, the appearance of official linking is one of the main sources of the outcry. And even as separate companies, they could negotiate a way to honour physical book purchases that would be fair to both DnDbeyond and to the consumers. If I had to pay $5 for my books to be recognized, I could do that. But there's no way I'm paying $30-$50 twice, and I see no benefit to subscribing to DnDbeyond. So by insisting that they're separate products (which is itself ridiculous), DnDBeyond is actually costing itself customers. I'll keep using the site for free and encouraging people to get as much out of this greedy arrangement as they can without paying a dime, and I'm not going to feel bad about that. Just like DnDbeyond and Wizards don't feel bad about double-dipping into their customer's pockets. 

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    Henry L Neufeld

    Marcus Stusek, DDB offers and creates great content and services at a good and reasonable price. Greedy is quite a stretch to bandy about especially when even a free account allows access to content created by paid writers and developers. They also offer massive discounts consistently just this last one allowed me to get the Legendary bundle for $15 (due to prior purchases) now I get an additional 15% off of future purchases of source material from their already sub-msrp pricing. DDB is awesome, and they deserve to succeed. I’ve also purchased all of the source books for my hard copy library, because...books. I also don’t feel bad about buying both from each of these distributors, as they both deserve to succeed.
    As for having writers from either working with the other, D&D5e has made a massive community that is beyond anything I ever thought I would see in 45+ years of TTRPGing. I know I will not dissuade your staunch position on this, but I do invite you to entertain the possibility that you may be acting on assumptions instead of facts. Also, Cody from the Taking 20 channel on YT has a post about this exact thing, and is far more eloquent than I...
    As of this posting I couldn’t find the link, but I’ll share it when I do. :). Have a nice day.

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    Marcus Stusek

    Thank you, Henry L Neufeld, I appreciate the calm, reasonable tone, especially considering that my response was heated. If there was a reasonable fee to pay (say $5 per book) to allow access, I would absolutely pay that, as I agree that DnDBeyond has some good functionality. It's just the concept of having to pay full price again (or even 50% full price) that makes using it distasteful to myself and many others. Thus my comment regarding greediness. It just seems that, if I have the PHB physically, I should be able to use DnDBeyond to create a bard with the entertainer background. I know I can pay for backgrounds and classes piece-meal, but that just compounds my feelings of frustration. 

    I believe you're right that I'm coming from assumptions, not facts, but I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. There's a lot of frustration about this out there, especially because of the perception that DnDbeyond is the official digital content partner of WotC. That may not be true, but it sure seems that way based on ads and their public image. And even though they are separate companies, they should work out some sort of agreement to better please the consumer base. As it is, DnDbeyond/WotC are missing out on consumers like me, because we'll only ever pay for the material once, and we don't see a benefit in subscribing if it doesn't allow us to access our purchased content. 

    Thank you for being calm and reasonable. Having a civil conversation about this is helpful in alleviating my frustration. Have a good day to you, too. 

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    Henry L Neufeld

    Marcus Stusek, Thank you. Though the analogy is poor the intent is true, one can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, though my wife would contend that ‘if you pull their wings off, they’ll eat what you give ‘em’ I love her so much, I digress...
    I agree it would be really cool if there was a discount or something, like the partnering on the essentials kit, but the logistics in such an undertaking seem massive, and may undercut both of these companies the booms they deserve. I’m happy to resign myself to buying multiple sets of content as money and motivation availability dictates. Thanks for the kind word. Happy gaming!

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    Colin Bradbury

    You can still make the characters from your hard copies. you just have to enter the content yourself rather than asking others to do it for you for free.

    As has been pointed out many times in the forums, the create [choose your content here] options under the "Collections" tab is the exact way DDB created the paid for content. You could go through your book manually and enter the data yourself, or you could pay $30 and have it done for you.

    With regards to your background of Entertainer. You could fill this form out. Then you have access to your Entertainer background.

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